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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-33541</link>
		<author>Daniel</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't understand some parts of this article Raw deal for technicians, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19225</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BNB

late a sonaalum correct a soneenga! i agree i missed out on that.

the guy who wrote the story of manichithrathazh would have made like 50,000 Rs.
We all know how much P Vasu (for his 'original' script) and Rajni would've made :D</description>
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<p>late a sonaalum correct a soneenga! i agree i missed out on that.</p>
<p>the guy who wrote the story of manichithrathazh would have made like 50,000 Rs.<br />
We all know how much P Vasu (for his &#8216;original&#8217; script) and Rajni would&#8217;ve made <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: BNB</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19224</link>
		<author>BNB</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellathayum Vidunga, we have a very basic problem - script/screenplay writers are not as respected as they should be, heck scripting is not considered important at all. You can make very good movies with bad cameramen - but it's much more difficult to make good movies without script and screenplay. Good movie - as in generally a flop in Tamil Nadu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellathayum Vidunga, we have a very basic problem - script/screenplay writers are not as respected as they should be, heck scripting is not considered important at all. You can make very good movies with bad cameramen - but it&#8217;s much more difficult to make good movies without script and screenplay. Good movie - as in generally a flop in Tamil Nadu</p>
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		<title>By: Sree</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19112</link>
		<author>Sree</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//I dont know the difference between real masala and virtual masala  .//
unga geek budhi ungala vidaadhu :P

If you think Shankar makes great cinema and hence deserves credit, 
its your opinion  //
Idha munnadiye solli irundha nalla irundhu irukkum :P
:))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//I dont know the difference between real masala and virtual masala  .//<br />
unga geek budhi ungala vidaadhu <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you think Shankar makes great cinema and hence deserves credit,<br />
its your opinion  //<br />
Idha munnadiye solli irundha nalla irundhu irukkum <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
:))</p>
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		<title>By: Sree</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19111</link>
		<author>Sree</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karthi..my comment to Keerthivasan is in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karthi..my comment to Keerthivasan is in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19099</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;I do not know much about Muthuraman’s movies.
But by the way u put it..it must be a real masala kind..

I dont know the difference between real masala and virtual masala :). 
 I think i've said certain things enough times and i'm just going to say one last time. 

1. The technicians should get credit, i do not want to get into major or minor tag or whatever. i think u agree with me on that. Credit implies more awards, awareness about their work for the beterment of the movie, media coverage, better salary (Imagine chottu pasanga getting 1 crore salary for their so called acting ) even some cult/celebrity status is ok.  

The directors - the real good ones who deserve that for their ability should get credit. For me, ability implies conveying a credible story very well visually and it should touch me in some way.

If you think Shankar makes great cinema and hence deserves credit, its your opinion :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I do not know much about Muthuraman’s movies.<br />
But by the way u put it..it must be a real masala kind..</p>
<p>I dont know the difference between real masala and virtual masala :).<br />
 I think i&#8217;ve said certain things enough times and i&#8217;m just going to say one last time. </p>
<p>1. The technicians should get credit, i do not want to get into major or minor tag or whatever. i think u agree with me on that. Credit implies more awards, awareness about their work for the beterment of the movie, media coverage, better salary (Imagine chottu pasanga getting 1 crore salary for their so called acting ) even some cult/celebrity status is ok.  </p>
<p>The directors - the real good ones who deserve that for their ability should get credit. For me, ability implies conveying a credible story very well visually and it should touch me in some way.</p>
<p>If you think Shankar makes great cinema and hence deserves credit, its your opinion <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Keerthivasan</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19061</link>
		<author>Keerthivasan</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah PK.. this mathematics thing is eating me up !! 

either i forget to enter, or i give the wrong answer (very difficult ma.. maths ellam pottu pala varusham aachu.. )..  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah PK.. this mathematics thing is eating me up !! </p>
<p>either i forget to enter, or i give the wrong answer (very difficult ma.. maths ellam pottu pala varusham aachu.. )..  <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sree</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19054</link>
		<author>Sree</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karthi….
    I do not know much about Muthuraman’s movies.
But by the way u put it..it must be a real masala kind.
I think we are talking different languages here.
I am not saying that just bcos ppl watch some director’s movies 
The directors can be called talented ones.

Infact , I vividly remember u saying in one of ur posts..its not OK
To blame S.J.Surya for giving soft porno..if one does’nt like it , its
Better to avoid it. So these are the kind of directors who cater
To a select set of audience.  But Shankar cannot be included in it 
As he gives a little bit of everything to keep all strata happy..the
Magic is that dirs like him achive it.

Mani seeks Sreekar agreed…but for Sreekar to be a success, Mani
Shd give a hit.  The collective responsibility of all the technicians 
Success rests on the dir.  If he fails all fail .

What does it matter if its campa cola grounds or an entire town or a tiny
Hamlet tucked in Nilgris..as far as the visual effect is good I am happy.
 
Where songs are concerned…embedding songs in a movie without
Breaking the storyline is an art. Also ur MTV guys are stereotypes..
When I hear a Himesh Reshmiya’s music invariably my mind matches
That with ‘aashiq banaya..’  so he fails there. Versatility is the key.
Even Mani had to include ‘ Narumughaiye narumughaiye…’ 
in a movie like  Iruvar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karthi….<br />
    I do not know much about Muthuraman’s movies.<br />
But by the way u put it..it must be a real masala kind.<br />
I think we are talking different languages here.<br />
I am not saying that just bcos ppl watch some director’s movies<br />
The directors can be called talented ones.</p>
<p>Infact , I vividly remember u saying in one of ur posts..its not OK<br />
To blame S.J.Surya for giving soft porno..if one does’nt like it , its<br />
Better to avoid it. So these are the kind of directors who cater<br />
To a select set of audience.  But Shankar cannot be included in it<br />
As he gives a little bit of everything to keep all strata happy..the<br />
Magic is that dirs like him achive it.</p>
<p>Mani seeks Sreekar agreed…but for Sreekar to be a success, Mani<br />
Shd give a hit.  The collective responsibility of all the technicians<br />
Success rests on the dir.  If he fails all fail .</p>
<p>What does it matter if its campa cola grounds or an entire town or a tiny<br />
Hamlet tucked in Nilgris..as far as the visual effect is good I am happy.</p>
<p>Where songs are concerned…embedding songs in a movie without<br />
Breaking the storyline is an art. Also ur MTV guys are stereotypes..<br />
When I hear a Himesh Reshmiya’s music invariably my mind matches<br />
That with ‘aashiq banaya..’  so he fails there. Versatility is the key.<br />
Even Mani had to include ‘ Narumughaiye narumughaiye…’<br />
in a movie like  Iruvar.</p>
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		<title>By: Sree</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19048</link>
		<author>Sree</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19048</guid>
		<description>after sulking a lot  budhi vandhu wordla  la type pannaren :( and ozhunga 10+10=20 nnu calculate panni modhalaye anga pottuten 

Hello Keerthivasan....
//I understand it is not being disputed, but i somehow like repeating it..  //
yeah...I can see that.
  
The main point I like to make is that there is nothing wrong in directors getting the major credit and attention when a movie is a hit.
   The director is the one who is responsible for giving a success or not….so where there is responsibility….and it is carried out well…the adulation goes with it.
  In any project the entrepreneur is the one who brings all the factors together…if even one fails…the entrepreneur pays.
  //If thats a deal about catering the audience, we shouldn’t even be mentioning Maniratnam.//
Is there any confusion here?  Are u trying to say that Mani  does not do commercial movies ?  
    Mani strives to give a commercial hit and sprinkles a lot of goodies in his movies to keep all strata of the audience happy…in ur admiration for Mani…u r overlooking that fact that he too includes the demands of the distributors and that is what is needed for the A,B and C areas.
   Now tell me how much u like the ‘mayya mayya’ number ? 
why were ‘chaiya chaiya’ , ‘nila adhu vaanathu meley’, ‘koncham nilavum’ , andha arabic kadaloram’ included in his movies ?   because the story demands , eh ?
    I agree that Mani , Kamal , Illayaraja , Kannadhasan are all geniuses. But that does not mean all their works are meant  for geniuses or connoiseurs. So it does not make sense to overglorify their work just bcos we are in awe of them.

  I am popping an avil before writing this (lets hope it works for me ) . 
 //well I can buy that arguement and even rank TRajendar likewise.// 
 How can u even bring that uncouth clown TR here ? Its gross injustice to Shankar.  Infact I am finding it very hard not to take it as a personal insult. Suggesting that ppl who enjoy Shankar’s movies cld even like TR’s is hitting below the belt.  I sincerely believe ppl who have real weird tastes or one who likes to self-inflict pains watch his movies.
  As for Shankar painting the town and using props…I guess it brings out the child in us…atleast ‘andakakaa kondakaari..’ and ‘azhagana rachasiye..’ did to me. I felt it was a treat to the eyes . The dance and costumes were good too. 
  
 // Technicians have outperformed themselves even under small banners and small directors.//
This and then this
//Except may be for music directors. They give their best sounds to the best directors.//
When the M.directors who have all the applause and recognition inspite of the directors do not perform well unless they are with good directors…why wld other technicians perform better with mediocre ones ?
They may have talents but they need the right oppurtunity to bring them out.

//without prior qualification and sit on the director’s chair.//
I don’t  recall claiming that they have any qualifications or have gone throo formal training.
Not all great-directors in TN are real directors. They just have an impressive story, and rope in the best technicians. //
Ya..among all the good for nothing ones , the one that is able to identify a good story and select the best talents gets all the credit....its quite natural.

//You’d find several reviews pointing out to the technical brilliance in soththai movies.//
Good..so ur mission is accomplished.
But let me ask u this…are they sought after ?
To be sought after….u need to give a hit and to give a hit u need a good director.

If computer graphics (the most awkward CG ever) and grand props is what you call creativity//
So Shankar’s graphics are bad ?
He chose the most awkward CG ever !
I hear u blaming Shankar not that talented or otherwise designer .
Got my point ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after sulking a lot  budhi vandhu wordla  la type pannaren <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> and ozhunga 10+10=20 nnu calculate panni modhalaye anga pottuten </p>
<p>Hello Keerthivasan&#8230;.<br />
//I understand it is not being disputed, but i somehow like repeating it..  //<br />
yeah&#8230;I can see that.</p>
<p>The main point I like to make is that there is nothing wrong in directors getting the major credit and attention when a movie is a hit.<br />
   The director is the one who is responsible for giving a success or not….so where there is responsibility….and it is carried out well…the adulation goes with it.<br />
  In any project the entrepreneur is the one who brings all the factors together…if even one fails…the entrepreneur pays.<br />
  //If thats a deal about catering the audience, we shouldn’t even be mentioning Maniratnam.//<br />
Is there any confusion here?  Are u trying to say that Mani  does not do commercial movies ?<br />
    Mani strives to give a commercial hit and sprinkles a lot of goodies in his movies to keep all strata of the audience happy…in ur admiration for Mani…u r overlooking that fact that he too includes the demands of the distributors and that is what is needed for the A,B and C areas.<br />
   Now tell me how much u like the ‘mayya mayya’ number ?<br />
why were ‘chaiya chaiya’ , ‘nila adhu vaanathu meley’, ‘koncham nilavum’ , andha arabic kadaloram’ included in his movies ?   because the story demands , eh ?<br />
    I agree that Mani , Kamal , Illayaraja , Kannadhasan are all geniuses. But that does not mean all their works are meant  for geniuses or connoiseurs. So it does not make sense to overglorify their work just bcos we are in awe of them.</p>
<p>  I am popping an avil before writing this (lets hope it works for me ) .<br />
 //well I can buy that arguement and even rank TRajendar likewise.//<br />
 How can u even bring that uncouth clown TR here ? Its gross injustice to Shankar.  Infact I am finding it very hard not to take it as a personal insult. Suggesting that ppl who enjoy Shankar’s movies cld even like TR’s is hitting below the belt.  I sincerely believe ppl who have real weird tastes or one who likes to self-inflict pains watch his movies.<br />
  As for Shankar painting the town and using props…I guess it brings out the child in us…atleast ‘andakakaa kondakaari..’ and ‘azhagana rachasiye..’ did to me. I felt it was a treat to the eyes . The dance and costumes were good too. </p>
<p> // Technicians have outperformed themselves even under small banners and small directors.//<br />
This and then this<br />
//Except may be for music directors. They give their best sounds to the best directors.//<br />
When the M.directors who have all the applause and recognition inspite of the directors do not perform well unless they are with good directors…why wld other technicians perform better with mediocre ones ?<br />
They may have talents but they need the right oppurtunity to bring them out.</p>
<p>//without prior qualification and sit on the director’s chair.//<br />
I don’t  recall claiming that they have any qualifications or have gone throo formal training.<br />
Not all great-directors in TN are real directors. They just have an impressive story, and rope in the best technicians. //<br />
Ya..among all the good for nothing ones , the one that is able to identify a good story and select the best talents gets all the credit&#8230;.its quite natural.</p>
<p>//You’d find several reviews pointing out to the technical brilliance in soththai movies.//<br />
Good..so ur mission is accomplished.<br />
But let me ask u this…are they sought after ?<br />
To be sought after….u need to give a hit and to give a hit u need a good director.</p>
<p>If computer graphics (the most awkward CG ever) and grand props is what you call creativity//<br />
So Shankar’s graphics are bad ?<br />
He chose the most awkward CG ever !<br />
I hear u blaming Shankar not that talented or otherwise designer .<br />
Got my point ?</p>
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		<title>By: Sree</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2007/06/05/raw-deal-for-technicians/#comment-19027</link>
		<author>Sree</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey I typed a 2 page reply and lost the whole thing bcos I did not give the rt answer in the maths test :((
I feel like hitting myself :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey I typed a 2 page reply and lost the whole thing bcos I did not give the rt answer in the maths test :((<br />
I feel like hitting myself <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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