Comments on: The police story http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/ Rombo nallavan Mon, 21 May 2012 19:59:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45403 prabukarthik Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:14:11 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45403 TTM Fully agree. But here's why IAS officers' plight are slightly better: - They have an asssociation to represent their woes i think - They have more respect in the society - Their work timings are again slightly better than the average police guy TTM

Fully agree. But here’s why IAS officers’ plight are slightly better:

- They have an asssociation to represent their woes i think
- They have more respect in the society
- Their work timings are again slightly better than the average police guy

]]> By: ttm http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45387 ttm Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:39:06 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45387 PK, Just an info...IAS officers are badly paid as well, compared to IT youth. here's the deal: Salary Grade Range of Salaries Junior Officers Rs. 8000-275-13500 Senior Officers Rs. 10650-325-15200 Junior Administrative Grade Rs. 12,750-375-16,500 Selection Grade Rs. 15,100-400-18,300 Additional Secretary Rs. 22400-525-24500 Secretary/Cabinet Secretary Rs. 26,000/30,000 I am really not sure how many of them will not want to be corrupt :) PK,
Just an info…IAS officers are badly paid as well, compared to IT youth. here’s the deal:

Salary Grade Range of Salaries
Junior Officers Rs. 8000-275-13500
Senior Officers Rs. 10650-325-15200
Junior Administrative Grade Rs. 12,750-375-16,500
Selection Grade Rs. 15,100-400-18,300
Additional Secretary Rs. 22400-525-24500
Secretary/Cabinet Secretary Rs. 26,000/30,000

I am really not sure how many of them will not want to be corrupt :)

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45139 prabukarthik Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:38:44 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45139 PB Many congratulations on becoming a father :) Coming to the post. Nandri. Neenga solradhu ellam unmai dhaan. Othukaren... TTM had said that policing is a low paid job in US. Oru vishayathula rembo clear a irukken.. this state of affairs.. Aug 15th 1947 la irundhu one night la varalai.. Adhey madhiri improvement um kandippa oru night la varaadhu...idhu enna bangalore to madras a oru night la vara.. ? where to begin seems to be the million dollar question. strategically speaking, at home, with children should be a good stating point... IMO Education, legal forms are mandatory... government edhuku ellam budget la priority kudukanumo adhai panna maaatengudhu... ippo irukaradhai vida courts , police force ku autonomy, universities neraya varanum... Narasimha Rao + Manmohan singh combo madhiri (I am not saying Manmohan singh + PC combo)...Hyderabad la Chandrababu Naidu madhiri yaaravadhu low profile PM vandhu sathamilllama konjam fundamental level la velai pannu vaanga.. enakku nambikkai irukku... another 50 years is a decent time frame... South tamil nadu la neraya development projects varudhu.. again ippodaiku ellame adi dhadi + jaadhi la decide agara madhiri irundhaalum.. In say 15 years, the attitude of the people will change...the children of these people will start from a level much different from the times of MK azhagiri... PB

Many congratulations on becoming a father :)

Coming to the post.
Nandri. Neenga solradhu ellam unmai dhaan. Othukaren…
TTM had said that policing is a low paid job in US.

Oru vishayathula rembo clear a irukken.. this state of affairs.. Aug 15th 1947 la irundhu one night la varalai..

Adhey madhiri improvement um kandippa oru night la varaadhu…idhu enna bangalore to madras a oru night la vara.. ?

where to begin seems to be the million dollar question.
strategically speaking, at home, with children should be a good stating point… IMO Education, legal forms are mandatory…
government edhuku ellam budget la priority kudukanumo adhai panna maaatengudhu… ippo irukaradhai vida courts , police force ku autonomy, universities neraya varanum…

Narasimha Rao + Manmohan singh combo madhiri (I am not saying Manmohan singh + PC combo)…Hyderabad la Chandrababu Naidu madhiri yaaravadhu low profile PM vandhu sathamilllama konjam fundamental level la velai pannu vaanga.. enakku nambikkai irukku… another 50 years is a decent time frame…

South tamil nadu la neraya development projects varudhu.. again ippodaiku ellame adi dhadi + jaadhi la decide agara madhiri irundhaalum..
In say 15 years, the attitude of the people will change…the children of these people will start from a level much different from the times of MK azhagiri…

]]> By: PB http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45128 PB Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:52:37 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45128 PK, nicely written. Anyway, if any one has not pointed out, cops in US too are lowly paid. They take up this job for passion. In us people take pride in their profession and do it honestly. Recently we had our baby girl delivered. My mother in law who came to hospital impressed with them said they did not look like working for money, they were enjoying what they do. It is true for a hotel bearer, cop or software engineer here. Desi engineer majoriy including me work as s.w. eng because they gave me this position. People in india be it any profession (mostly) lack any pride. Secondly people are so enslaved for money. Most of our country men ready to lick richmen's ass. General mentality is as long as you make big money you are great. Can you commit murders in the process of making money and gaining power? yes, absolutely, as long as you have enough muscle to escape from clutches of another powerfull rowdy politician. Pudhupettai movie explains most of the things i wanted to convey. My point is it is just not the police. It is the sick, slave weak society. Again coming back to police. Kazhagaatchi made sure no one respects police department. It is just their duty to serve murderers, scoundrals,yeah politicians. They made sure good people leave/don't join the force. A person joins policeforce by bribing. What good can we expect from him except only if he is aaru saami. Another reason is poicemen live with criminals. They know they have better clout than them. (Kurudhi punal, mahanadi etc). They need fresh air, breaks now and then. Sorry for big post. Your post provoked me so much. I wish to see great india soon as well. BUt dont know how to make that happen :((((. PK,
nicely written. Anyway, if any one has not pointed out, cops in US too are lowly paid. They take up this job for passion. In us people take pride in their profession and do it honestly. Recently we had our baby girl delivered. My mother in law who came to hospital impressed with them said they did not look like working for money, they were enjoying what they do. It is true for a hotel bearer, cop or software engineer here. Desi engineer majoriy including me work as s.w. eng because they gave me this position. People in india be it any profession (mostly) lack any pride.

Secondly people are so enslaved for money. Most of our country men ready to lick richmen’s ass. General mentality is as long as you make big money you are great. Can you commit murders in the process of making money and gaining power? yes, absolutely, as long as you have enough muscle to escape from clutches of another powerfull rowdy politician.
Pudhupettai movie explains most of the things i wanted to convey.
My point is it is just not the police. It is the sick, slave weak society.

Again coming back to police. Kazhagaatchi made sure no one respects police department. It is just their duty to serve murderers, scoundrals,yeah politicians. They made sure good people leave/don’t join the force. A person joins policeforce by bribing. What good can we expect from him except only if he is aaru saami.

Another reason is poicemen live with criminals. They know they have better clout than them. (Kurudhi punal, mahanadi etc). They need fresh air, breaks now and then.
Sorry for big post. Your post provoked me so much. I wish to see great india soon as well. BUt dont know how to make that happen :((((.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45044 prabukarthik Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:28:19 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45044 BNB I agree 100% :) BNB

I agree 100% :)

]]> By: BNB http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45033 BNB Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:52:07 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45033 Seriya sonneenga boss, regardless of how corrupt they are their conditions need improvement. But, I think the real reason for their current status is politics within the government between various lobbies, IPS vs IAS, etc. Raise the pay after putting in checks to make sure they don't run share auto/auto business etc. Most middle class cynics will point out most mamas are doing some business on the side and they don't need a raise. I disagree. Avanga rightsa yaarum madhikaadha podhu adhuthavanga rights eppadi madhipaanga ? One of the consequences of the sorry state of police jobs is that this is the last resort for the people entering the work force. That inevitably means that only people from certain classes/sections enter the workforce. Now how does this matter ? For instance beating women or just getting physical might be easier for these folks. They never seem to be trained in basic etiquette or dealing with common citizens, whereas IPS officers get trained in some kulu-kulu hill station or even abroad for extended periods. Army pay at lower levels are not great either, but because of the relatively cleaner reputation and better benefits a wider cross section of the people join the army. Compare the state of police quarters with typical army quarters.barracks - the latter tend to be extremely clean. Seriya sonneenga boss, regardless of how corrupt they are their conditions need improvement. But, I think the real reason for their current status is politics within the government between various lobbies, IPS vs IAS, etc. Raise the pay after putting in checks to make sure they don’t run share auto/auto business etc. Most middle class cynics will point out most mamas are doing some business on the side and they don’t need a raise. I disagree.

Avanga rightsa yaarum madhikaadha podhu adhuthavanga rights eppadi madhipaanga ? One of the consequences of the sorry state of police jobs is that this is the last resort for the people entering the work force. That inevitably means that only people from certain classes/sections enter the workforce. Now how does this matter ? For instance beating women or just getting physical might be easier for these folks. They never seem to be trained in basic etiquette or dealing with common citizens, whereas IPS officers get trained in some kulu-kulu hill station or even abroad for extended periods.

Army pay at lower levels are not great either, but because of the relatively cleaner reputation and better benefits a wider cross section of the people join the army. Compare the state of police quarters with typical army quarters.barracks - the latter tend to be extremely clean.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45024 prabukarthik Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:21:59 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45024 TTM, I am curious to know about this grocery store :) TTM,

I am curious to know about this grocery store :)

]]> By: PK http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45014 PK Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:06:21 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-45014 "The indian society is inherently programmed to look for short cuts, to cut corners" PK, this is one disease that is part of the DNA. I wonder if you have visited the Number One Desi Grocery store in Bay Area :) It is after all the store preferred ahead of some 20-30 other Indian stores, that that speaks something. The modus operandi in that store is as soon as you step in, you stand in the queue(which goes round as a circumferential line around the store). Nobody bothers to go shop in the aisles since the queue anyway snakes through the entire store. So while the men hold the place in queue, the womenfolk go around picking stuff and returning to their husbs to drop. God save you if you decide to explore the aisles...by the time you join the queue every single desi is ahead of you!!!! Hoarding food is ok...but hoarding queue slots?!?!? “The indian society is inherently programmed to look for short cuts, to cut corners”

PK, this is one disease that is part of the DNA.

I wonder if you have visited the Number One Desi Grocery store in Bay Area :)

It is after all the store preferred ahead of some 20-30 other Indian stores, that that speaks something.

The modus operandi in that store is as soon as you step in, you stand in the queue(which goes round as a circumferential line around the store). Nobody bothers to go shop in the aisles since the queue anyway snakes through the entire store. So while the men hold the place in queue, the womenfolk go around picking stuff and returning to their husbs to drop.

God save you if you decide to explore the aisles…by the time you join the queue every single desi is ahead of you!!!!

Hoarding food is ok…but hoarding queue slots?!?!?

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-44970 prabukarthik Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:37:19 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-44970 Idhile innoru vishayamum irukku. The indian society is inherently programmed to look for short cuts, to cut corners, etc. I think we learn this because of the huge population factor and the intense competition we face right from getting a bus seat to an LKG admission. We blame the police, but i am sure at least a good percentage of the society would resent a straight forward cop as we do a corrupt one. Idhile innoru vishayamum irukku. The indian society is inherently programmed to look for short cuts, to cut corners, etc.

I think we learn this because of the huge population factor and the intense competition we face right from getting a bus seat to an LKG admission.

We blame the police, but i am sure at least a good percentage of the society would resent a straight forward cop as we do a corrupt one.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-44966 prabukarthik Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:58:13 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/07/17/the-police-story/#comment-44966 Joseph My whole point is not to derive sympathy for the police man. Ayyo paavam nu solli onnum agaporadhillai. Without a formal grievance redressal system, unless we address some of their untold issues, things are going to be the same. This is the carrot component of the carrot and stick. This attitude is required along with the 'stick' IMO Assume you, are expected to work for 5000 Rs. for as many hours as your PM asks you to, plus you need to drop your PM;s kids in school; get ration items for your PM's house wife; stand in rain for that VVIp who will cross in the next four hours; give company to an anaadhai ponam till things are sorted out; you will have your food expenses taken care from your own pocket till your PM 'ayya' approves your bill. Tell me how honest and sincere you'll be? I will be either out of that job in a day or be as corrupt as they are now, if i don't go mad that is. I am not saying what they are doing is right. I am saying if we do not address certain things, and keep on protesting their corruption, things will remain the same as they are now, which is not great to say the least. Joseph

My whole point is not to derive sympathy for the police man. Ayyo paavam nu solli onnum agaporadhillai.

Without a formal grievance redressal system, unless we address some of their untold issues, things are going to be the same. This is the carrot component of the carrot and stick. This attitude is required along with the ’stick’ IMO

Assume you, are expected to work for 5000 Rs. for as many hours as your PM asks you to, plus you need to drop your PM;s kids in school; get ration items for your PM’s house wife; stand in rain for that VVIp who will cross in the next four hours; give company to an anaadhai ponam till things are sorted out; you will have your food expenses taken care from your own pocket till your PM ‘ayya’ approves your bill.

Tell me how honest and sincere you’ll be? I will be either out of that job in a day or be as corrupt as they are now, if i don’t go mad that is.

I am not saying what they are doing is right. I am saying if we do not address certain things, and keep on protesting their corruption, things will remain the same as they are now, which is not great to say the least.

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