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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50447</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this karma clock matter is true.

at the same time, ' ippo naan vangura salary ellam en thiramai ku kedacha mariyadhai' nu ellam naan poi solla virumbalai..ippodaiku idhu irukku.. innum evlo naal nilaikum gradhu ellam question mark.

ippo indha matter ku market irukku.. avlo dhaan... nijamaana ennoda sila thiramaigal market la 10 paisa peraadhu...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this karma clock matter is true.</p>
<p>at the same time, &#8216; ippo naan vangura salary ellam en thiramai ku kedacha mariyadhai&#8217; nu ellam naan poi solla virumbalai..ippodaiku idhu irukku.. innum evlo naal nilaikum gradhu ellam question mark.</p>
<p>ippo indha matter ku market irukku.. avlo dhaan&#8230; nijamaana ennoda sila thiramaigal market la 10 paisa peraadhu&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50435</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;But the poor are poor, no matter where they are..

I felt the same when i saw the scenes in 'The pursuit of happyness' when the father and kid will go seek refuge in a place...

This system is not perfect nu solradhai thavira vera onnum thonalai enakku...

Vellai kaaran kashtapadradhu irukkatum.. inga local laye lot of small time soda companies closed down unable to compete with Coke and Pepsi... They have adopted all the unfair trade practices as much as possible, i read abt this in Gurumurthy's book.  

Ungalai pathi theriyadhu.. idhukaaga avanga urimai ku aadharavu kuduthu naan onnum mariyal poraatam ellam pannalai....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;But the poor are poor, no matter where they are..</p>
<p>I felt the same when i saw the scenes in &#8216;The pursuit of happyness&#8217; when the father and kid will go seek refuge in a place&#8230;</p>
<p>This system is not perfect nu solradhai thavira vera onnum thonalai enakku&#8230;</p>
<p>Vellai kaaran kashtapadradhu irukkatum.. inga local laye lot of small time soda companies closed down unable to compete with Coke and Pepsi&#8230; They have adopted all the unfair trade practices as much as possible, i read abt this in Gurumurthy&#8217;s book.  </p>
<p>Ungalai pathi theriyadhu.. idhukaaga avanga urimai ku aadharavu kuduthu naan onnum mariyal poraatam ellam pannalai&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BNB</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50423</link>
		<author>BNB</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, have you watched 'Roger and Me' by Michael Moore ?  It's a documentary by Michael Moore on the fallout of a General Motors car plant closing down. Michael Moore is from Detroit, the heart of the automobile country that has been worst affected by layoffs and outsourcing. One of the  things that our makkal have is "Vella kaaran idhu varaikum romba enjoy pannittaan, inimey namma turn" - adhavadhu ennamo ivanga dhaan karma calculator pocketla irukkara madhiri pesa vendiyadhu. But the poor are poor, no matter where they are and some of the scenes in this movie are heart rending. 

BTW, there is no real product development going on in most MNCs here despite tall claims.  Real product companies seem to outsource only peripheral work, which is understandable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, have you watched &#8216;Roger and Me&#8217; by Michael Moore ?  It&#8217;s a documentary by Michael Moore on the fallout of a General Motors car plant closing down. Michael Moore is from Detroit, the heart of the automobile country that has been worst affected by layoffs and outsourcing. One of the  things that our makkal have is &#8220;Vella kaaran idhu varaikum romba enjoy pannittaan, inimey namma turn&#8221; - adhavadhu ennamo ivanga dhaan karma calculator pocketla irukkara madhiri pesa vendiyadhu. But the poor are poor, no matter where they are and some of the scenes in this movie are heart rending. </p>
<p>BTW, there is no real product development going on in most MNCs here despite tall claims.  Real product companies seem to outsource only peripheral work, which is understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50396</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50396</guid>
		<description>BTW

I never said that NRIs' should not be talking about India. Its just that some are so ashamed of having originated in this country. And they want to defame this country to the maximum all the while keeping their mouth shut about the problems they and their kids face in their adopted countries. 

They feel bad about paying several hundred USD for their wives for ordinary fever and cold and basic checkup when they are without insurance. 

So they do all that during their India trips. But want to only write about the potholes in Indian roads once they are back.  If all this is only out of love for their country, i am sorry i am not good enough to understand that love. I am also curious why they have no such love for their adopted country which after all is feeding them. 

Thats was my counterpoint. A few of the folks still write on such stuff. I am not stopping them. 

I know there are lot of NRIs who do their best for this country. Good or bad, they know they cannot take India out of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW</p>
<p>I never said that NRIs&#8217; should not be talking about India. Its just that some are so ashamed of having originated in this country. And they want to defame this country to the maximum all the while keeping their mouth shut about the problems they and their kids face in their adopted countries. </p>
<p>They feel bad about paying several hundred USD for their wives for ordinary fever and cold and basic checkup when they are without insurance. </p>
<p>So they do all that during their India trips. But want to only write about the potholes in Indian roads once they are back.  If all this is only out of love for their country, i am sorry i am not good enough to understand that love. I am also curious why they have no such love for their adopted country which after all is feeding them. </p>
<p>Thats was my counterpoint. A few of the folks still write on such stuff. I am not stopping them. </p>
<p>I know there are lot of NRIs who do their best for this country. Good or bad, they know they cannot take India out of them.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50393</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asaithambi,

&gt;&gt;You cannot be sitting in India and talk about American Politics 

This blog is for me to present my ideas. I don't go to some other's blog and say you should not write this. I am nobody to say that. 
If I have something to say about their posts, i either do in their comments section or i write a post here. 

I feel a few in the developed countries want to encash on the benefits of the globalization and then kick the same bad when it starts hurting them, without any sense of objectivity. I am labeling that Pithalaatam. I see its no different from the stance politicians take. 

My labeling is not intended to stop their right to express.

I do feel I am entitled to talk about stuff which impacts me sitting here in Chennai. I and a lot other IT pros (or coolies as some call it) have a stake on globalization and outsourcing. I also have a stake as a consumer when i buy Coke, when i buy iPhone, when i watch Hollywood movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asaithambi,</p>
<p>>>You cannot be sitting in India and talk about American Politics </p>
<p>This blog is for me to present my ideas. I don&#8217;t go to some other&#8217;s blog and say you should not write this. I am nobody to say that.<br />
If I have something to say about their posts, i either do in their comments section or i write a post here. </p>
<p>I feel a few in the developed countries want to encash on the benefits of the globalization and then kick the same bad when it starts hurting them, without any sense of objectivity. I am labeling that Pithalaatam. I see its no different from the stance politicians take. </p>
<p>My labeling is not intended to stop their right to express.</p>
<p>I do feel I am entitled to talk about stuff which impacts me sitting here in Chennai. I and a lot other IT pros (or coolies as some call it) have a stake on globalization and outsourcing. I also have a stake as a consumer when i buy Coke, when i buy iPhone, when i watch Hollywood movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Asaithambi</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50284</link>
		<author>Asaithambi</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50284</guid>
		<description>PK,
You cannot be sitting in India and talk about American Politics and its agenda's.Its like you get owned to your own criticism that NRI's cannot talk about India and Indian politics,policies and potholes and so should you be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PK,<br />
You cannot be sitting in India and talk about American Politics and its agenda&#8217;s.Its like you get owned to your own criticism that NRI&#8217;s cannot talk about India and Indian politics,policies and potholes and so should you be.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50272</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50272</guid>
		<description>Naan namba IT companies pathi perusa solla virumbalai, thats why i stopped with iPods, Nikons. 

About 90% of IT work done here is of the services type. Most of the companies who do get product dev done here are monopolies. There is no necessity for them to lower the price tag of their products even if all Indian coolies start working @ three days for 30 Rs. like Goundamani in 'Chinnathambi'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naan namba IT companies pathi perusa solla virumbalai, thats why i stopped with iPods, Nikons. </p>
<p>About 90% of IT work done here is of the services type. Most of the companies who do get product dev done here are monopolies. There is no necessity for them to lower the price tag of their products even if all Indian coolies start working @ three days for 30 Rs. like Goundamani in &#8216;Chinnathambi&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50271</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50271</guid>
		<description>BNB

As I already mentioned, I am neither far nor against outsourcing. Nor does my stance is of any concern to the MNCs. 

I am saying outsourcing is a natural corollary to globalization. The moment you say you can source raw materials from country X, manufacture it in country Y, and sell it in country Z you give birth to outsourcing. I am not convinced that Barack Obama or anyone can and is willing to stop this globalization. I don't see how someone can stop outsourcing by any other way. I am certainly very skeptical about the tax breaks route. 

Unga example laye kooda, i can argue that its not just the individuals who pay taxes. American corporations pay taxes too. 

Outsourcing is more on the agenda of top MNCs whose primary motive is profit maximization somewhere somehow. A politician is more concerned about a nation or a region of the world and his power equation. 

Why go till US farmers. What exactly is the fed doing to JP Morgan in the Bear stearns issue?  Oru level la loss podhuvudamai, profits thaniudamai nu dhaan iruku. 

I agree that free market is a myth now. Just like we endured illusions with socialism. Maybe we may need to refine our concepts. Maybe we will come up with something new. But ippo irukara MNC agenda la outsourcing, with all its pitfalls is inevitable is my take.

It's fair to say I do not understand US politics. But one plausible reason i can conjure for the bay area techie companies being pro democrats is because the bay area have always adopted immigrant friendly ideas, and multicultural atmosphere. These ideas are closer to democrats than republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNB</p>
<p>As I already mentioned, I am neither far nor against outsourcing. Nor does my stance is of any concern to the MNCs. </p>
<p>I am saying outsourcing is a natural corollary to globalization. The moment you say you can source raw materials from country X, manufacture it in country Y, and sell it in country Z you give birth to outsourcing. I am not convinced that Barack Obama or anyone can and is willing to stop this globalization. I don&#8217;t see how someone can stop outsourcing by any other way. I am certainly very skeptical about the tax breaks route. </p>
<p>Unga example laye kooda, i can argue that its not just the individuals who pay taxes. American corporations pay taxes too. </p>
<p>Outsourcing is more on the agenda of top MNCs whose primary motive is profit maximization somewhere somehow. A politician is more concerned about a nation or a region of the world and his power equation. </p>
<p>Why go till US farmers. What exactly is the fed doing to JP Morgan in the Bear stearns issue?  Oru level la loss podhuvudamai, profits thaniudamai nu dhaan iruku. </p>
<p>I agree that free market is a myth now. Just like we endured illusions with socialism. Maybe we may need to refine our concepts. Maybe we will come up with something new. But ippo irukara MNC agenda la outsourcing, with all its pitfalls is inevitable is my take.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fair to say I do not understand US politics. But one plausible reason i can conjure for the bay area techie companies being pro democrats is because the bay area have always adopted immigrant friendly ideas, and multicultural atmosphere. These ideas are closer to democrats than republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: BNB</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50217</link>
		<author>BNB</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50217</guid>
		<description>A real free market doesn't exist. When you talk about globalisation, you are essentially referring to an spin that is put out by various companies 
to justify moving jobs overseas and mindlessly repeated by the media. With respect to farming America is anything but globalised. Their farmers enjoy massive subsidies and we get to taste these bland American apples everywhere in India now. 

"But the decision to outsource is a business one, not political. " - why doesn't politics have the right to influence business ? Let's consider a small example - The internet as it exists today is the result of tax payers money mainly in the US, and the www mainly result of tax payers money in Europe. Now the same infrastructure is used to effectively take work away from America. A
politician is duty bound to protect the interests of tax payers and intrinsically, I don't see anything wrong with questioning outsourcing. 


Why do tech companies heavily donate to the Democrats (Al Gore is on the board of Apple) if they are so protectionist ? Silicon valley has always been pro-democrat. Maybe we don't understand American politics enough ?


Namma problem - IT industry got a boost due to a unique set of circumstances. Adhaye vechu kaalam fulla bajanai pannuvom, adhey subsidies, adhey nonsense - the IT industry in India is now like the farmers lobby in America. Thoroughly spoilt bunch. How about innovating ? 

You pointed out cameras , camera lenses that you can get cheaply because of outsourcing. Can you point out some software that you can get cheaply because work was outsourced to India ? Maybe most of the work done here is for internal business use, software that will never see daylight. Still that's an intriguing thought.

About NRIs, vendam ... veneer on laptop screen and you will have to replace it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real free market doesn&#8217;t exist. When you talk about globalisation, you are essentially referring to an spin that is put out by various companies<br />
to justify moving jobs overseas and mindlessly repeated by the media. With respect to farming America is anything but globalised. Their farmers enjoy massive subsidies and we get to taste these bland American apples everywhere in India now. </p>
<p>&#8220;But the decision to outsource is a business one, not political. &#8221; - why doesn&#8217;t politics have the right to influence business ? Let&#8217;s consider a small example - The internet as it exists today is the result of tax payers money mainly in the US, and the www mainly result of tax payers money in Europe. Now the same infrastructure is used to effectively take work away from America. A<br />
politician is duty bound to protect the interests of tax payers and intrinsically, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with questioning outsourcing. </p>
<p>Why do tech companies heavily donate to the Democrats (Al Gore is on the board of Apple) if they are so protectionist ? Silicon valley has always been pro-democrat. Maybe we don&#8217;t understand American politics enough ?</p>
<p>Namma problem - IT industry got a boost due to a unique set of circumstances. Adhaye vechu kaalam fulla bajanai pannuvom, adhey subsidies, adhey nonsense - the IT industry in India is now like the farmers lobby in America. Thoroughly spoilt bunch. How about innovating ? </p>
<p>You pointed out cameras , camera lenses that you can get cheaply because of outsourcing. Can you point out some software that you can get cheaply because work was outsourced to India ? Maybe most of the work done here is for internal business use, software that will never see daylight. Still that&#8217;s an intriguing thought.</p>
<p>About NRIs, vendam &#8230; veneer on laptop screen and you will have to replace it <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/08/30/rants-on-outsourcing/#comment-50204</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reg. FM 10,
that was the first new SLR camera from Nikon that i could've purchased from the stores. In fact my present D50 is the first and only first hand SLR :) mithadhu ellam second hand dhaan. 

FM2 was one of the all time great best-selling manual SLRs. It was made avlble right from very early 80s. That was the first camera to offer 1/250 flash X-nch. FM2, Pentax K1000, Olympus Om-1N laam neraya kudumbathuku soru potruku. Basic battery kooda illama photo edukalaam. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reg. FM 10,<br />
that was the first new SLR camera from Nikon that i could&#8217;ve purchased from the stores. In fact my present D50 is the first and only first hand SLR <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> mithadhu ellam second hand dhaan. </p>
<p>FM2 was one of the all time great best-selling manual SLRs. It was made avlble right from very early 80s. That was the first camera to offer 1/250 flash X-nch. FM2, Pentax K1000, Olympus Om-1N laam neraya kudumbathuku soru potruku. Basic battery kooda illama photo edukalaam.</p>
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