Comments on: Community and Development - I http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/ Rombo nallavan Tue, 22 May 2012 19:42:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Swaminathan Moorthy http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52056 Swaminathan Moorthy Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:34:37 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52056 // SM Interesting! Where is this? // No other place than singara chennai :) // SM

Interesting! Where is this? //

No other place than singara chennai :)

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52035 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:30:04 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52035 BNB Actually, the reason i used community was i wanted to touch this topic from an urban perspective as well.. where community may roughly mean neighborhood... aprom enakku avlova matter theriyalai.. nu vittuten BNB

Actually, the reason i used community was i wanted to touch this topic from an urban perspective as well.. where community may roughly mean neighborhood… aprom enakku avlova matter theriyalai.. nu vittuten

]]> By: BNB http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52025 BNB Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:51:09 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52025 It's a sign of the times that you can't even say caste openly. The western concept of community does not directly correspond to caste in all it's aspects. Caste is like the elephant in the room. Lots of English educated folks try to pretend it doesn't exist and try to be politically correct, while taking decisions based on caste considerations either consciously or unconsciously. ttm: Your recipe for success sounds like the one followed by some of friends who went to the Rajasthan desert college to study and then went to the US. There is no universal recipe for happiness. I see construction workers living on daily wages being supremely happy while executives driving around in Mercs seem to be perpetually grumpy. It’s a sign of the times that you can’t even say caste openly. The western concept of community does not directly correspond to caste in all it’s aspects. Caste is like the elephant in the room. Lots of English educated folks try to pretend it doesn’t exist and try to be politically correct, while taking decisions based on caste considerations either consciously or unconsciously.

ttm:
Your recipe for success sounds like the one followed by some of friends who went to the Rajasthan desert college to study and then went to the US. There is no universal recipe for happiness. I see construction workers living on daily wages being supremely happy while executives driving around in Mercs seem to be perpetually grumpy.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52016 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:02:07 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52016 In general, its not as black and white it seems. Everybody knows that without mentoring and guidance and the best teachers, even 100% caste based reservation is not going to help. I'm sure had Ambedkar been alive today, he would've said the same. But no one wants mentoring, better facilities to learn etc.. they maybe good but not convenient. I am sure the vast majority would deride that idea. Because it is uncomfortable for both the parties - for and against reservation. We can build more schools so that this reservation can be nullified. Again that is not comfortable for the govt and politicians. This does not mean we are not against the concept of good, fair in the long run. Of course we will do good and be good when it is convenient. For e.g In cities, it is essential that you have to mingle with other sections of the society on a daily basis, so here we do not see caste for the most part. If you go to foreign countries you get to mingle with other races so we do not see a lot of things we would be bothered about in India. In both the cases, being broadminded is convenient and practical, so we are fine with it. In general, its not as black and white it seems.

Everybody knows that without mentoring and guidance and the best teachers, even 100% caste based reservation is not going to help.
I’m sure had Ambedkar been alive today, he would’ve said the same.
But no one wants mentoring, better facilities to learn etc.. they maybe good but not convenient. I am sure the vast majority would deride that idea. Because it is uncomfortable for both the parties - for and against reservation.
We can build more schools so that this reservation can be nullified.
Again that is not comfortable for the govt and politicians.

This does not mean we are not against the concept of good, fair in the long run. Of course we will do good and be good when it is convenient.

For e.g In cities, it is essential that you have to mingle with other sections of the society on a daily basis, so here we do not see caste for the most part.

If you go to foreign countries you get to mingle with other races so we do not see a lot of things we would be bothered about in India.

In both the cases, being broadminded is convenient and practical, so we are fine with it.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52003 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:59:07 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-52003 pradeep I'd written abt archagars and purohits sons in areas like srivilliputhur. precisely those who you ask about. This post is not about reservation as a main topic. This post is about how community does not help in an individuals development even in areas where it can(part 1) and how one community has shown the way (part 2). pradeep

I’d written abt archagars and purohits sons in areas like srivilliputhur. precisely those who you ask about. This post is not about reservation as a main topic.

This post is about how community does not help in an individuals development even in areas where it can(part 1) and how one community has shown the way (part 2).

]]> By: Pradeep http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51971 Pradeep Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:18:12 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51971 And what about the kid of the SC/ST IAS officer? He gets reservation? And what about the kid of the SC/ST IAS officer? He gets reservation?

]]> By: Pradeep http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51969 Pradeep Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:17:43 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51969 What about poor brahmins who live in rural areas and do not attend PSBB, DAV et al? What will happen to them? Do poor brahmins don't mean anything, just because they are electorally insignificant? What about poor brahmins who live in rural areas and do not attend PSBB, DAV et al? What will happen to them? Do poor brahmins don’t mean anything, just because they are electorally insignificant?

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51930 prabukarthik Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:44:32 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51930 karthik Nee solradhu to some extent unmai da...but there are some good ways to leverage even community. Selfish a irukaradhu I agree but we are assuming everyone is the same and we are assuming all things are constant. For e.g How do we define the behavior of our freedom fighters or the sepoy mutinee martyrs? We cannot say they were totally unselfish because nobody is, at the same time we cannot say they were just doping their job because they could've very well carried on peacefully accepting the British like most of the people of India. So its not always as simple as it sounds. karthik

Nee solradhu to some extent unmai da…but there are some good ways to leverage even community.
Selfish a irukaradhu I agree but we are assuming everyone is the same and we are assuming all things are constant.

For e.g How do we define the behavior of our freedom fighters or the sepoy mutinee martyrs? We cannot say they were totally unselfish because nobody is, at the same time we cannot say they were just doping their job because they could’ve very well carried on peacefully accepting the British like most of the people of India. So its not always as simple as it sounds.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51928 prabukarthik Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:40:09 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51928 SM Interesting! Where is this? SM

Interesting! Where is this?

]]> By: Swaminathan Moorthy http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51843 Swaminathan Moorthy Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:13 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/12/community-and-development-i/#comment-51843 I was surprised to hear that there is an association for one of the communities and people are ready to pay even 1.5l to get membership to the association. Also VVIPs try for this. But in vain. During the last elections, parties were trying to join hands with this association. I was surprised to hear that there is an association for one of the communities and people are ready to pay even 1.5l to get membership to the association. Also VVIPs try for this. But in vain. During the last elections, parties were trying to join hands with this association.

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