Comments on: Community and Development - II http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/ Rombo nallavan Tue, 22 May 2012 19:42:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: BNB http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52049 BNB Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:02:09 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52049 "Idhellam naanum kelvi patruken. " I have seen this first hand with the Nadar we used to shop with. "Child labour oda other aspects ellam enakku therila… so no comments on the viability." I am not supporting child labour per se, Just commenting about the way our media and the rest react like a Brown Sahib, while paying their vellakari totally random wages. Bonded labour is a problem that's even more serious than child labour. “Idhellam naanum kelvi patruken. ”

I have seen this first hand with the Nadar we used to shop with.

“Child labour oda other aspects ellam enakku therila… so no comments on the viability.”

I am not supporting child labour per se, Just commenting about the way our media and the rest react like a Brown Sahib, while paying their vellakari totally random wages.

Bonded labour is a problem that’s even more serious than child labour.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52034 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:26:36 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52034 >>But then lots of other castes also got a chance to improve themselves, but didn’t utilise the opportunities Precisely. >>I have noticed that once the mookozhugi kadai payyan reaches a certain stage, they are often helped by his current employer to setup his own shop, they help him get married etc. Idhellam naanum kelvi patruken. Child labour oda other aspects ellam enakku therila... so no comments on the viability. >>But then lots of other castes also got a chance to improve themselves, but didn’t utilise the opportunities

Precisely.

>>I have noticed that once the mookozhugi kadai payyan reaches a certain stage, they are often helped by his current employer to setup his own shop, they help him get married etc.

Idhellam naanum kelvi patruken.

Child labour oda other aspects ellam enakku therila… so no comments on the viability.

]]> By: BNB http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52023 BNB Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:41:37 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52023 Is the level of cooperation within the caste is also the product of historical circumstances ? The caste is on the rise, Kamaraj Nadar becomes a leader, there are new opportunities, post-independence everyone gets a shot at it, etc, etc. But then lots of other castes also got a chance to improve themselves, but didn't utilise the opportunities. So , you can't take credit away from them. Are you sure about what Nadars were previously doing ? Or is the tree climbing thing just vicious propaganda by other castes ? Anyway it doesn't matter. Maduraila I have noticed that once the mookozhugi kadai payyan reaches a certain stage, they are often helped by his current employer to setup his own shop, they help him get married etc. The community is vital in help these kadais keeping the costs down. When the boy comes to work first time, it looks like a case of child labour, but by the time that guy is in his thirties, in many cases, he makes these educated idiots look like a pathetic joke. That's why I am strong reservations about westernised knee-jerk reactions to child labour. Is the level of cooperation within the caste is also the product of historical circumstances ? The caste is on the rise, Kamaraj Nadar becomes a leader, there are new opportunities, post-independence everyone gets a shot at it, etc, etc. But then lots of other castes also got a chance to improve themselves, but didn’t utilise the opportunities. So , you can’t take credit away from them. Are you sure about what Nadars were previously doing ? Or is the tree climbing thing just vicious propaganda by other castes ? Anyway it doesn’t matter.

Maduraila I have noticed that once the mookozhugi kadai payyan reaches a certain stage, they are often helped by his current employer to setup his own shop, they help him get married etc. The community is vital in help these kadais keeping the costs down. When the boy comes to work first time, it looks like a case of child labour, but by the time that guy is in his thirties, in many cases, he makes these educated idiots look like a pathetic joke. That’s why I am strong reservations about westernised knee-jerk reactions to child labour.

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52006 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:02:26 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52006 naveen thanks man! naveen

thanks man!

]]> By: prabukarthik http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52005 prabukarthik Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:02:01 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-52005 pradeep thondai seri illa ba! pradeep

thondai seri illa ba!

]]> By: Pradeep http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-51962 Pradeep Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:18:45 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-51962 Indha vaaram weekend podcast kidaiyaadha? I was waiting and am disappointed. :( Indha vaaram weekend podcast kidaiyaadha? I was waiting and am disappointed. :(

]]> By: Naveen Roy http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-51947 Naveen Roy Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:19:39 +0000 http://expertdabbler.com/2008/09/16/community-and-development-ii/#comment-51947 Nicely written! Good points... "They conveniently hide the fact that if a PSBB guy can get to a position in 4 years without reservation. With reservation, he will get to the same position despite reservation by virtue of his awareness, network and contacts in 6 years. The loss is two years. While for the B and C tier town students, it’s a question of life. It’s a herculean task to combat both reservation and poverty sitting in places which is neither a town nor a city."..... something that the people who hold placards and cry do not seem to understand at all!... and "Mr. X will study in a top school in Chennai, get into IIT, go to America, get GC - end of story. What is that he does to his community except write in his community website about his forefathers who are India’s pride? Most of the time the answer is zilch. Trouble is, there is no organised way to do even if he wants to. Some even go to the extent of donating funds for the study and promotion of Vedas for poor students. I think it’s kinda funny that they ensure IT education for themselves while actively promoting study of Vedas for the poor."....such a true point And isn't it Maghimai - I remember reading that in the "Nadars of Tamilnad".....written about the amazing growth of this community... Nicely written!

Good points…

“They conveniently hide the fact that if a PSBB guy can get to a position in 4 years without reservation. With reservation, he will get to the same position despite reservation by virtue of his awareness, network and contacts in 6 years. The loss is two years. While for the B and C tier town students, it’s a question of life. It’s a herculean task to combat both reservation and poverty sitting in places which is neither a town nor a city.”….. something that the people who hold placards and cry do not seem to understand at all!…

and

“Mr. X will study in a top school in Chennai, get into IIT, go to America, get GC - end of story. What is that he does to his community except write in his community website about his forefathers who are India’s pride? Most of the time the answer is zilch. Trouble is, there is no organised way to do even if he wants to. Some even go to the extent of donating funds for the study and promotion of Vedas for poor students. I think it’s kinda funny that they ensure IT education for themselves while actively promoting study of Vedas for the poor.”….such a true point

And isn’t it Maghimai - I remember reading that in the “Nadars of Tamilnad”…..written about the amazing growth of this community…

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