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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54710</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54710</guid>
		<description>Jamil Kirmani

I think YetAnotherAmericanITGuy summed it up very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamil Kirmani</p>
<p>I think YetAnotherAmericanITGuy summed it up very well.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54709</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54709</guid>
		<description>YetAnotherAmericanITGuy

Precisely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YetAnotherAmericanITGuy</p>
<p>Precisely!</p>
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		<title>By: YetAnotherAmericanITGuy</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54699</link>
		<author>YetAnotherAmericanITGuy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54699</guid>
		<description>Sesh,

It sounds to me that the poster is pointing out that in his particular case, the outsourcing that he's seeing is, overall, detrimental to the company...even if some accountant somewhere can come up with a balance-sheet justification for it. That isn't an indictment of outsourcing overall...but obviously there are instances of outsourcing that are done poorly and will not result in a benefit to the company. 

In that context, your answer of "don't think about it, just do your job" is...unhelpful. The poster makes a valid point--switching out developers isn't the same as switching out construction workers, and sometimes the company doesn't take some of the less tangible effects of outsourcing into account. As well, some of the layoff packages are large enough that an honest accounting would reveal that the ROI for outsourcing won't appear until year 3 or later.

And so here we are--company management is making a poor decision, and it's obvious to all of IT, both in the outsourcing teams (in India) and in the team being outsourced (in US). Because of the dynamic of outsourcing, though, these teams can't talk to discuss if there's a better approach. Frustrating--from both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sesh,</p>
<p>It sounds to me that the poster is pointing out that in his particular case, the outsourcing that he&#8217;s seeing is, overall, detrimental to the company&#8230;even if some accountant somewhere can come up with a balance-sheet justification for it. That isn&#8217;t an indictment of outsourcing overall&#8230;but obviously there are instances of outsourcing that are done poorly and will not result in a benefit to the company. </p>
<p>In that context, your answer of &#8220;don&#8217;t think about it, just do your job&#8221; is&#8230;unhelpful. The poster makes a valid point&#8211;switching out developers isn&#8217;t the same as switching out construction workers, and sometimes the company doesn&#8217;t take some of the less tangible effects of outsourcing into account. As well, some of the layoff packages are large enough that an honest accounting would reveal that the ROI for outsourcing won&#8217;t appear until year 3 or later.</p>
<p>And so here we are&#8211;company management is making a poor decision, and it&#8217;s obvious to all of IT, both in the outsourcing teams (in India) and in the team being outsourced (in US). Because of the dynamic of outsourcing, though, these teams can&#8217;t talk to discuss if there&#8217;s a better approach. Frustrating&#8211;from both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamil Kirmani</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54677</link>
		<author>Jamil Kirmani</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54677</guid>
		<description>Outsourcing helps no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsourcing helps no one.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54659</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54659</guid>
		<description>Sesh

&gt;no developer/tester that is not dispensable.

I agree. but i am still not convinced about the business sense of laying off a good worker experienced in a product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sesh</p>
<p>>no developer/tester that is not dispensable.</p>
<p>I agree. but i am still not convinced about the business sense of laying off a good worker experienced in a product.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54654</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54654</guid>
		<description>IndianObserver

Your assumptions about my workplace - partly true. There is more to it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IndianObserver</p>
<p>Your assumptions about my workplace - partly true. There is more to it though.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianObserver</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54642</link>
		<author>IndianObserver</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54642</guid>
		<description>I assume you work one of those services companies in India. They do suck the lifeblood out of you. If you really care to look around, you will find some very interesting companies in India, right in Chennai.

Large American companies are as pathetic as the services companies in India you have worked for (in fact, they influenced the culture of the Indian service shops!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you work one of those services companies in India. They do suck the lifeblood out of you. If you really care to look around, you will find some very interesting companies in India, right in Chennai.</p>
<p>Large American companies are as pathetic as the services companies in India you have worked for (in fact, they influenced the culture of the Indian service shops!).</p>
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		<title>By: Sesh</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54635</link>
		<author>Sesh</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54635</guid>
		<description>I have experienced exactly the same. In fact my position was a little more worse in that I had to be in US training with a guy whose work was being moved here. Even though you feel bad about this, there are few things you should know about work life: 

1. Outsourcing or not, there is no developer/tester that is not dispensable. You might feel the 'guy-in-us' is the best but the fact that he is being replaced simply means he is expandable. You must realize the same also applies to you. 

2. As much as possible try to create value for your company. The smaller your company/ group is the better chance of visibility. In a large company your efforts might drown in a large group but always maintain to keep creating something that you think benefits the company. Your manager may/ may not agree but you should try the best. This is one good way to decrease your chances of being 'dispensable'. 

3. Get over outsourcing. Your job is to get the work delivered as best as possible. You are not paid to worry about the other guy's job. I know losing a job is bad for everyone...but you have to realize delivering your work is your 'dharma'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have experienced exactly the same. In fact my position was a little more worse in that I had to be in US training with a guy whose work was being moved here. Even though you feel bad about this, there are few things you should know about work life: </p>
<p>1. Outsourcing or not, there is no developer/tester that is not dispensable. You might feel the &#8216;guy-in-us&#8217; is the best but the fact that he is being replaced simply means he is expandable. You must realize the same also applies to you. </p>
<p>2. As much as possible try to create value for your company. The smaller your company/ group is the better chance of visibility. In a large company your efforts might drown in a large group but always maintain to keep creating something that you think benefits the company. Your manager may/ may not agree but you should try the best. This is one good way to decrease your chances of being &#8216;dispensable&#8217;. </p>
<p>3. Get over outsourcing. Your job is to get the work delivered as best as possible. You are not paid to worry about the other guy&#8217;s job. I know losing a job is bad for everyone&#8230;but you have to realize delivering your work is your &#8216;dharma&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: prabukarthik</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54485</link>
		<author>prabukarthik</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54485</guid>
		<description>BNB

This issue kinda brings my contradictions to the fore honestly.
Not sure if its bcos I am confused or bcos I am honest or both.

I am okay if all this globalization if it leads to overall good... i've benfitted a lot personally... its good if it bring jobs to developing countries.. but i am kinda embarassed if that happens with job cuts in US. 

I've experienced this with my prev organization as well...

When i said i am leaving since i am anyway jobless for 3/4 months.. my manager promised me my colleague in US will be fired in 3 months and i can take up that work :(

I was equally enraged then though i guess i did not blog about it...

It almost looks like as if the whole economic dev. nonsense is a zero-sum game even though numbers suggest it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNB</p>
<p>This issue kinda brings my contradictions to the fore honestly.<br />
Not sure if its bcos I am confused or bcos I am honest or both.</p>
<p>I am okay if all this globalization if it leads to overall good&#8230; i&#8217;ve benfitted a lot personally&#8230; its good if it bring jobs to developing countries.. but i am kinda embarassed if that happens with job cuts in US. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve experienced this with my prev organization as well&#8230;</p>
<p>When i said i am leaving since i am anyway jobless for 3/4 months.. my manager promised me my colleague in US will be fired in 3 months and i can take up that work <img src='http://expertdabbler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I was equally enraged then though i guess i did not blog about it&#8230;</p>
<p>It almost looks like as if the whole economic dev. nonsense is a zero-sum game even though numbers suggest it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: BNB</title>
		<link>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54413</link>
		<author>BNB</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://expertdabbler.com/2008/10/08/its-all-a-sham/#comment-54413</guid>
		<description>Lot of these American folks are very proud folks and they even think protesting is beneath them. I wonder if we are capable of even mentally withstanding a similar fate. For us middle class folks here, the unwritten assumption is that our life is one steady upwardly rising graph, especially the IT crowd. In the US they are in general more ok with ups and downs - huge cultural difference; Read about this cab driver who missed the Nobel prize:
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081011/NEWS/810110328

This whole business of replacing with one US techie with x indian techies is just laughable. I have been lucky enough to work with some great American techies and the very thought of making those guys unemployed is just ... like you I am at a loss for words. Our great IT boom is fueled by shady business deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of these American folks are very proud folks and they even think protesting is beneath them. I wonder if we are capable of even mentally withstanding a similar fate. For us middle class folks here, the unwritten assumption is that our life is one steady upwardly rising graph, especially the IT crowd. In the US they are in general more ok with ups and downs - huge cultural difference; Read about this cab driver who missed the Nobel prize:<br />
<a href="http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081011/NEWS/810110328" rel="nofollow">http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081011/NEWS/810110328</a></p>
<p>This whole business of replacing with one US techie with x indian techies is just laughable. I have been lucky enough to work with some great American techies and the very thought of making those guys unemployed is just &#8230; like you I am at a loss for words. Our great IT boom is fueled by shady business deals.</p>
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